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UKTeX Digest    Friday, 14 Oct 1994    Volume 94 : Issue 39

Today's Topics:
                  Spelling checker for Unix at CTAN?
                         re: Inserting space
                         Re: Inserting space
                          Re:Inserting space
                 re: latex: emphasis within emphasis
                          Q: BibTeX and HTML
                               LaTeX 2e
         Re: UKTUG AGM afternoon programme: What's New in TeX
         Re: UKTUG AGM afternoon programme: What's New in TeX
                `PCL' fonts on the HP LaserJet 4 Plus
                         PC version of Latex?
                       Re: PC version of Latex?
                       help with dvidoc please

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Date:    Fri, 07 Oct 1994 10:24:15 +0100
From:    "S.C.Wu" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Spelling checker for Unix at CTAN?

Is there a spelling checker on Unix especially for TeX file? The built-in 
spell doesn't recognise '\end' even it is not a wrong spelling.

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Date:    Sat, 08 Oct 1994 09:40:03 -0400
From:    Jerry Leichter <[email-masked]>
Subject: re: Inserting space

        [Robert Davidge asks:]
        I hope you cna help me. Our local texperts are proving silent on this
        question.

        We have at Sussex a thing called thesis.sty which we use for writing
        theses, but the problem may occur in other latex styles.

        I am not a Texer so can not write in this language.

        The problem is to do with the list of figures. It seems to have a
        fixed amount of space between the numbering and the caption. This
        works fine until you have a chapter number > 9 and a figure no. > 9.
        Then ther is no space left before your caption starts.

        AN EXAMPLE

                1.1  The ......
                2.10 The......
                10.1 The ......
                10.10The ......

        I would not like to see the mess produced if you had more than 99
        figures!

(You'd get an overfull hbox message, and the line would shift to the right,
with the number still butted up against the text.)

In the standard styles, the formatting of a table of contents and list of
figures line is defined through commands with names like \l@section,
\l@chapter, \l@figure, and so on.  The higher-level "\l@" commands often
have idiosyncratic special definitions, but most "\l@" commands - and most
likely all those that likely to have this problem - use a LaTeX internal
utility command called \@dottedtocline to do all the real work.  Here are
some examples from the "book" style file:

\def\l@section{\@dottedtocline{1}{1.5em}{2.3em}}
\def\l@subsection{\@dottedtocline{2}{3.8em}{3.2em}}
...
\def\l@figure{\@dottedtocline{1}{1.5em}{2.3em}}
\let\l@table\l@figure                           %i.e., make them the same

The arguments provided to \@dottedtocline are:

        \@dottedtocline{LEVEL}{INDENT}{NUMWIDTH}{TITLE}{PAGE}

The last two will actually be provided as arguments of the corresponding "\l@"
command.  LEVEL is the nesting level (related to the tocdepth counter).
INDENT is the indentation of the first line of the entry from the left margin
of the containing environment.  NUMWIDTH is the size you are concerned about:
The unit number will be left-justified in a box of this width, which will be
placed immediately to the left of the TITLE.  (NUMWIDTH also sets the indenta-
tion for any subsequent lines in this entry, if you have a very long section
title.  This actually isn't likely to happen except for figures - and even
then, it's usually a bad idea.)

So:  Take a look at your style file and search for definitions of the "\l@"
commands of interest.  Increase the NUMWIDTH argument, and you should have
more room for all your various sections, subsections, and so on.  Note that
you'll need to apply a little thought to what sizes you choose, since you
are controlling the indentation of the line, not "just" the size of the
box containing the number.
                                                        -- Jerry

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Date:    Mon, 10 Oct 1994 05:43:54 -0400
From:    "B.J. Herbison" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Inserting space

> The problem is to do with the list of figures. It seems to have a fixed
> amount of space between the numbering and the caption. This works fine
> until you have a chapter number > 9 and a figure no. > 9. Then ther
> is no space left before your caption starts.
> AN EXAMPLE
>         10.10The ......

The spacing is controlled by the macro \l@figure in the style file.
In the versions of LaTeX I've used this is defined as a `dotted-line
contents macro' with three parameters, two of them for spacing.  When
I ran into the same problem I just redefined \l@figure with larger
values for the spacing parameters.  It was for a previous job so I
don't have the LaTeX anymore, but your local TeXperts should be able
to show you how to do it.

                                                B.J.

B.J. Herbison           Herbison Consulting         Another Asylum
[email-masked]         +1 508 534-1050             18 Drummer Lane
                        42 29 30 N / 071 44 10 W    Leominster, MA  01453  USA

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Date:    Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:04:00 -0700
From:    "Wagner, Zdenek" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Inserting space

Robert Davidge wrote:

> We have at Sussex a thing called thesis.sty which we use for writing
> theses, but the problem may occur in other latex styles.
>
> I am not a Texer so can not write in this language.
>
> The problem is to do with the list of figures. It seems to have a fixed
> amount of space between the numbering and the caption. This works fine
> until you have a chapter number > 9 and a figure no. > 9. Then ther
> is no space left before your caption starts.
>
> AN EXAMPLE
>
>         1.1  The ......
>         2.10 The......
>         10.1 The ......
>         10.10The ......

The processing of the list of figures ends up with the command
\l@figure which has to be defined in the style (actually is in
article.sty, book.sty, report.sty). Its default definition is:

\newcommand\l@figure{\@dottedtocline{1}{1.5em}{2.3em}}

The first argument of \@dottedtocline is used only in the table of
contents, so do not change its value. The second argument is the
total indentation and the third argument is the width of the box for
numbers. This is the value which you should increase. If you need
e.g. 3.5em, you have to redefine \l@figure (and similarly \l@table
for the list of tables) as:

\renewcommand\l@figure{\@dottedtocline{1}{1.5em}{3.5em}}

Remember that commands containing ``@'' as a part of the name are
not allowed in the document. The easiest way is to make your own
style which may contain just the line given above, call it e.g.
mylof.sty and then use

\documentstyle[mylof]{...}

in LaTeX2.09, or

\documentclass{...}
\usepackage{mylof}

in LaTeX2e.

Regards

Zdenek Wagner

Please, notice the new address: <[email-masked]>

The old addresses (i.e. <[email-masked]> and <[email-masked]>)
will continue to work for some time...

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Date:    09 Oct 1994 10:46:56 -0400
From:    bbeeton <[email-masked]>
Subject: re: latex: emphasis within emphasis

in uktex 94 #36, you've brought up the problem that using ordinary
lightface type for emphasis within italic emphasis makes the "*most
important* text look *completely unimportant*".

i can't give you a latex solution, but i have observed that in the
u.s. publication "national geographic", where captions for photographs
and other graphics are routinely set in italic, elements that would
be "emphasized" (latin botanical names, names of ships, et al.) are
sent in an unslanted italic, so the letterforms are not the same
as ordinary roman text.  i can't tell you how long this practice
has been in effect, but i did check once, and believe that it
predates knuth's cmu* font.  i believe that the fonts used in the
"geographic" were designed specifically for that publication, so
this is obviously quite intentional. if not necessarily entirely
traditional.  this might be an idea you could use rather than
underlining.
                                                -- bb

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Date:    11 Oct 1994 13:38:23 +0000
From:    [email-masked] (Oli Kai Paulus)
Subject: Q: BibTeX and HTML

I want to use bibtex citations in a latex document (easy) and generate
a html document thereof (also easy) as follows (not so easy):

        - write the latex document and use a command \htmlcite
          for citations

        - in the {dvi,ps} version the \htmlcite should be expanded
          to some reference like [Tex94] with the corresponding
          entry in the bibliography. That's plain bibtex.

        - in the html version, which is generated using some latex2html
          program, the \htmlcite should be expanded to a reference 
          [Tex94], which is linked to the corresponding bibliography
          entry. That's plain latex2html.

        - but: the entry in the bibliography should contain the URL of
          the document and the URL should be sensitive, i.e. a link
          to "itself" (the original version of the referenced document).

A quick and dirty solution to this is to put the URL in one of the
fields of a document's bibtex entry using a command from html.sty that
expands to a sensitve URL.

A nicer solution would be to define an entry type HyperDoc for .bib files
that contains a field URL: which gets translated into some construct in
the corresponding .bbl file that can be processed appropriatly by 
latex2html. Therefore you'd need a special bibtex style file.

I could imagine I'm not the first to need this. Does anyone know of
a solution? Any help is greatly appreciated (please email to me or post
to comp.text.tex).

Oli Kai Paulus                        email: [email-masked]
voice: +49.30.314-24944/73603         fax  : +49.30.314-24929   
Project KIT-MIHMA * TU Berlin FR 5-12 * Franklin- 28/29 * 10587 Berlin 

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Date:    Tue, 11 Oct 1994 20:02:49 +0100
From:    Alun Moon <[email-masked]>
Subject: LaTeX 2e

I've heard bits about the latest version of LaTeX (2e I think).

It sounds very good.

How do I get hold of a personal copy to try out, so I can decide if its 
going to be the thing I need to write my PhD thesis with.

Alun Moon

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Date:    Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:20:21 -0000
From:    [email-masked] (Colin Macleod)
Subject: Re: UKTUG AGM afternoon programme: What's New in TeX

In article <[email-masked]> you wrote:
` Philip Taylor:   The NTS Project

`   This is a project to investigate systems that might follow on where
`   TeX leaves off.  It is a long-term project, and Philip will talk
`   about its aims and achievements so far.

Is there any on-line or other info available about this project
for people who will not be able to come to this meeting ?

Colin Macleod, Technical Officer,                      Phone: 0382-23181 x4839
Dundee University Maths & Computer Science Dept.
23 Perth Road, Dundee DD1 4HN, Scotland.     E-Mail: [email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:40:36 -0400
From:    [email-masked] (Joel Coltoff)
Subject: Re: UKTUG AGM afternoon programme: What's New in TeX

I just couldn't resist. I tried but alas I gave in. In the
true spirit of Oscar Wilde "The only way to get rid of a
temptation is to yield to it."

In article <[email-masked]> you write:
>Jonathan Fine:   Using TeX in Radical Ways
>
>  Jonathan will talk about work he has in progress to use TeX as a
>  processor in ways Knuth never intended it for.
>

The grammar in this sentence shows that someone, somewhere is
using English in ways that it was never intended for. If the
truth be known I'm more of the mindset of Clarence Darrow's
comment "Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom
are you going to speak it to?"

Cheers,
 - Joel

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Date:    Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:37:48 -0000
From:    howard s goodman <[email-masked]>
Subject: `PCL' fonts on the HP LaserJet 4 Plus

My department  has just bought an HP  LaserJet  4 Plus printer.  Besides
the `Standard 35' abominations (Times, Helvetica, Palatino etc.) it also
has a  rather nice  collection   of internal scalable  `PCL'  typefaces,
including Univers, a Garamond, and a bootleg Optima called `Omega'.

Now, I am told  that  there is no way  that  these  `PCL' fonts  can  be
accessed from PostScript.  Is this so, or has anyone succeeded in acces-
sing such fonts from TeX/dvips?  If not, why oh why should manufacturers
of PostScript-compatible laser printers bother to include them?

Thanks in advance for any information ...
                                                              ... howard.

+-------------------------------------+--------------------------------+
| howard s goodman (research student) | school of computer science     |
| [email-masked]           | university of birmingham       |
|                                     | birmingham - england - B15 2TT |
+-------------------------------------+--------------------------------+

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Date:    13 Oct 1994 12:59:14 +0000
From:    [email-masked] (H.S. Chiang)
Subject: PC version of Latex?

        Can some one tell me where I can get a PC version of Latex?

Regards,
Swee

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Date:    13 Oct 1994 14:46:57 +0000
From:    [email-masked] (Robin Fairbairns)
Subject: Re: PC version of Latex?

In article <[email-masked]>,
H.S. Chiang <[email-masked]> wrote:
>       Can some one tell me where I can get a PC version of Latex?

ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/systems/msdos/emtex/disk*
                                                   /betatest/texb12.zip, etc.
                                             /emtex-fonts/<whatever>/disk*
                               /macros/latex/...

A reasonable document about the process is to be found in 

                               /info/setting-up-emtex.tex

(this is plain TeX).
- --
Robin (Campaign for the Third Programme) Fairbairns  [email-masked]
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
Private page: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rf/robin.html

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Date:    Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:25:54 +0000
From:    [email-masked] (Tom Wright)
Subject: help with dvidoc please

Has anybody installed dvidoc

I had a first go at installing it but 
dont have the time to figure out how to run 
and install it

Where can i get pc from ?

the tex documents are wierd, i.e. no header.

Tom Wright

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